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Gero Hesse Founder SAATKORN & CEO EMBRACE

PAUL RUBENSTEIN from Visier on the podcast

 

In this episode of the SAATKORN podcast, I speak with Paul Rubenstein, Chief Evangelist and Advisor at Visier. Paul has been working in the fields of HR transformation, behavioral science, workforce strategy, and people analytics for many years—and has a clear perspective on what AI truly means for the future of HR.

One quote really stuck with me: “We need to learn to dance with the robots.” Because the real challenge with AI might not be the technology itself—but rather the question of how we rethink work, HR, and corporate culture.

🤖 HR is dead—long live HR

As AI takes over more and more knowledge and routine processes, HR gains the opportunity to focus more on what really matters: better people and business decisions.

📊 No More Pure Headcount Planning

Paul explains why the future will be about the “Shape of the Workforce”: skills, tasks, capabilities—and the evolving interplay between humans and AI.

🕺 Culture beats technology

Soon, all companies could have access to similar AI tools and agents. The real competitive advantage will then be the culture that empowers people to rethink work in collaboration with AI.

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